True Blood Radio 182: We’ll Rant…er…Meet Again

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We almost titled this week’s True Blood podcast “We’ll Rant Again” thanks to a couple of rather opinionated treatise about Sookie being blamed for everything and some sexual slurs being cast on her by fans. These things have been bothering us for a while, and they finally boiled over. In addition to our little diatribes, we also share some news, a few spoilers, and our discussion of True Bloodepisode 5.04, “We’ll Meet Again.”

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56 Comments

  1. Jay

    July 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Actually, Bill did use the “As your maker…” line during Season 4 while they were silvered to fight off the effects of Marnie/Antonia’s spell.

  2. Trissa

    July 3, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    I can understand and yet I don’t understand why fans are compassionate enough about fictional characters that they have to defend the character’s honor in such a way that they verbally (and sometimes physically) assault others who have opinions different from their own. Just calm down peeps. LOL

    • Christine

      July 3, 2012 at 9:23 pm

      No, they were calling Sookie a slut, not defending her.

      • Mel

        July 3, 2012 at 9:54 pm

        We (Liz & I) were defending Sookie; I think that’s what Trissa is referring to.

        • Christine

          July 4, 2012 at 1:14 am

          Yes, you were defending Sookie, I was talking about the people in the chatroom who were calling Sookie a slut.

  3. debbie

    July 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    I think Bill tried to command Jessica Season 4 when she was breaking the silver chains and going upstairs into the sun…it didn’t work due to the curse or the broken bond you mentioned.

    • Madeleine

      July 4, 2012 at 11:16 am

      According to Alexander Woo the child has to agree to be released so the bond is effectively broken. But I could imagine a spell powerful enough to make you act against your survival instinct is also strong enough to top the maker card.

  4. J

    July 3, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    I hope Tara will reconcile with Sookie! Tara decided to jump in front of the bullet to save Sookie and Tara’s life was saved by being turned into a vampire. It’s kind of even so I hope that Tara can push her anger aside and understand where sookie was coming from.

  5. TrueLove

    July 3, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Nice job ladies, enjoyed it! For the record I haven’t seen anyone verbally assaulting anyone at all. I haven’t even seen any rudeness. If we can’t disagree and prompt each other to think a litlle bit then why are we posting in a public forum?

  6. J

    July 3, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Agreed, the Terry side story was too separate from the world of True Blood. If they could somehow connect it back…….

    “Bromance” is in the air 🙂 Bill and Eric, Andy and Jason, who’s next…. lol

    Jessica was awesome in this episode!!

    I totally think the fairies are lying. I think they wanted Hadley to plant that seed of doubt in Jason’s mind, because they want Sookie and Jason to turn against vampires, but I think it will eventually come to light that they are the ones who killed their parents.

  7. Jessica(dragonfly)

    July 3, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    My life would be so much easier if I could play the, “As your maker I command you” card.

    I have a theory about who released Russell. I’m thinking it was Salome, and it’s because she is his progeny and he called her. Thoughts? I’m actually shocked that Bill and Eric, didn’t think to look into whether Russell had any other children besides Talbot. It had to be a Vampire because, the construction worker had been glamoured.

    I think people are way to hard on Tara. She’s been protecting Sookie since they were kids.
    She regrets jumping in front of the bullet, because she’s dead now, and a vampire. The life she could have had as a human is gone, because she was once again protecting Sookie. I’d be pretty ticked off too.

    LaLa has ever right to be upset with Sookie. After she shot Debbie, he told her to go to the police because they would believe her. She chose not to. And with him helping her dispose of the body, and withholding information from the police, he could be arrested too, or worse if Debbie’s parents find out. When she told Alcide she had no way of knowing what would happen to her or LaLa. Again, I’d be pretty ticked off too.

    And I mean really, If people didn’t keep saving her, she would have been dead in the very first episode and there would be no show. So I get that the saving of Sookie is key point. However, the characters would have no depth if they didn’t question, why they felt the need to save her, and why she constantly needs saving.

    And you’re absolutely right about the “Slut” Shaming. I can’t stand that! It’s so immature, and unnecessary.

    • TrueLove

      July 3, 2012 at 10:59 pm

      Another theory about who released Russell, maybe alcide told Debbie and that was just one more way she tried to kill sOokie?

    • J

      July 3, 2012 at 11:07 pm

      I still hope Sookie and Tara can be friends again!

      • Madeleine

        July 4, 2012 at 11:19 am

        I think they will, it might take some time but such a long friendship should be strong enough. The calm way Tara talked to Bill and how she emphazised the last word (always) are reasons to keep hoping.

    • Madeleine

      July 4, 2012 at 12:42 am

      “I have a theory about who released Russell. I’m thinking it was Salome, and it’s because she is his progeny and he called her. Thoughts?”

      I thought the same for a while, and then I thought some more and wondered; about the curious fact that it took a year to dig Russell up, that Newlin showed up in Bon Temps right around that time, that Alan Ball loves to lead us into one direction only to surprise with something very different from what we’ve anticipated.
      Salome (and every other chancellor) has something brewing, that’s obvious, probably too obvious.

      “I think people are way to hard on Tara.”

      I don’t (not people, folks are very fond of and protective over Tara), that’s just me who’s thinking she gets too much credit for having a hard time, it’s overused as an excuse for her being the way she is. Just the way I see it, I don’t expect anybody to agree and I’m not trying to upset anybody.
      For me the writers stuck with her being angry for too long, it got annoying. In this episode she seemed calmer, in the preview however (the short scene with Hoyt) there was this angry sparkle in her eyes again, we’ll see how it will develop.
      I hope they won’t make her go back to being just furious and caught up in it, we had that already.
      Maybe I’m just disappointed she was not allowed to save some of that dignity and confidence she found when she left Bon Temps, I loved the way she talked to her mother without any judging and wished her best, knowing it would be wrong to put another weight on her shoulders and it was time to take care of herself.

      • J

        July 4, 2012 at 1:13 am

        Excellent points on Russell and Tara Madeleine!

        And I agree, angry Tara did get really tiresome after a while. That time away from Bon Temps did do her a lot of good. I liked New Orleans Tara! She was still tough and spirited, but she let go of that angry “tude.” It was refreshing. I hope she can get that back.

        • Donna

          July 6, 2012 at 11:16 pm

          Do you think they might have vamp shrinks to help those to deal with all their unresolved issues as humans? Tara might need to sit on someone couch!

      • Passa

        July 4, 2012 at 1:51 am

        Expect a lot of people to agree with you. There are more people who feel that way about Tara and alot of people who get annoyed and tired of her.

        My thing is if a person is going to point flaws about one character might as well do them all. That what’s get me about the whole Tara argument. People are so quick to point out her anger and yet…no one mention about the other characters even if they aren’t as angry they have some annoying tendencies too. And there are some worst than Tara. That’s why fans of hers gets so defensive because it’s like all they hear from the fandom is Tara being an annoying b****. I can understand people not liking a character because this and that, heck there are things she does I don’t agree with. But she don’t deserve this constant hate either.

        Tara isn’t my favorite character by all means, but I have notice the amount of hate she gets in this fandom. She gets more hate than Maxine Fortenbery. lol Maxine is known to be a rather prejudice and hateful person. So I can understand why fans would constantly try to defend Tara because gosh not like she just goes around getting angry for nothing all the time. I mean yeah sure she doesn’t have to be upset all the time. There are also better ways she can handle things, but I can say that for all the characters on the show.

        • Madeleine

          July 4, 2012 at 10:15 am

          I would never call Tara the b-word, that’s not fair and vulgar in my opinion. And yes, Maxine is worse, but she’s easier to ignore / overlook / tolerate because she appeares in way fewer scenes. And once again : I don’t hate Tara, never did.
          Her anger is omni-present in quite a few episodes, so it’s normal to have that association first when you think of her.
          I can totally relate to defending your favourite or well-liked character, TB-fans are rumored to be quite passionate 😉 – I’m curious if she will now be allowed to use her full potential, I know it’s there.

      • Kurenai

        July 4, 2012 at 3:53 am

        How is being raised in an abusive home, being raised in a southern (most likely racist) town, not having a male figure in her life, and getting raped just excuses for Tara to be who she is???

        Where have people been if they actually think fandom is protective of Tara …seriously people, seriously.

        And Tara is allowed her anger for as long as she wants to have it. That anger is the strongest emotion she has b/c of what she’s been through. Through out the seasons it has mellowed out and this season it has come back full force (or half). It’s not the writers fault that most of the viewers couldn’t look past her anger and see the other emotions her character was showing. The writers can’t spoon feed viewers.

        But no, I’m seriously laughing at the “folks are very found and protective of Tara …like there’s a lot of that in the fandom”.

        • Madeleine

          July 4, 2012 at 4:33 am

          “How is being raised in an abusive home, being raised in a southern (most likely racist) town, not having a male figure in her life, and getting raped just excuses for Tara to be who she is???”

          Because having a bad past doesn’t exonerate you from dealing with your anger-issues, or your temper or whatever.
          At some point you have to realize you’re in charge of your life, you can’t live in the past, you have to take a step forward and make the best of it.
          It’s your responsibility to create a better life for yourself, she’s not a helpless child anymore, she’s a grown woman and quite capable of getting past her awful experiences.
          I’m just saying her bad past is no reason to overlook all her flaws and bad decisions, and she has some like everybody else, and excuse these mistakes with : she had it bad, she has reason.
          If everybody with reason to be angry would be stuck in this circle : where would that lead? It’s a legit question, is it not?
          To make it clear : I’m not expecting everybody to behave the same, but it has to be allowed to say others deal better with their issues.

          • Mel

            July 4, 2012 at 10:11 am

            My argument is that becoming a vampire is what yanks Tara out of being mired in her past and puts her in control of her life. She’s had some horrible, horrible things happen to her throughout her life, to the point that I’m not at all surprised that she felt like she had no control. A lot of bad, hurtful things happened TO her, at the hands of others in positions of authority, and after a while that will train a person that she isn’t in control. Of course she’s made mistakes, and of course it’s hard to watch her making those poor decisions, but I still feel like there’s not enough compassion granted to her for what’s behind those mistakes.

            With her near invincibility as a vampire, and guidance from people like Pam and (it sounds like) Jessica, I think Tara will finally reclaim her life. Ironic that it happens after she dies!

        • Mel

          July 4, 2012 at 9:48 am

          Agreed, Kurenai. So far I think Liz and I are the most vocal Tara supporters, and we get a lot of flak for it. We’re not blind to her faults, but as you pointed out, she has a lot of reasons to be angry and self-destructive. We want the best for her, though, and her new life as a vampire may give her the strength and guidance she’s needed all these years to finally break free from her past, her self-loathing, and her pain.

      • Kiki

        July 5, 2012 at 3:12 pm

        I just don’t think Russel is Salome’s maker… remember she would be older than him. I think that the reverse may be a possibility, but what an oversight that would be on the Authority’s part. I think that Russel made someone else or it is his real maker. That could be the connection.

        • Mel

          July 5, 2012 at 3:26 pm

          No, Russell is older than Salome. In season 3 it was established that Russell is 3,000+ years old. Salome is about 2,000 years old (she’s the daughter of King Herod, a contemporary of Jesus of Nazareth).

    • Liz

      July 4, 2012 at 8:49 am

      I get what you’re saying – that having characters question why they are so loyal to Sookie adds depth. However, our point was that not one of them ever asked Sookie what she wanted. They’ve all taken any decision – making out of her hands and made it their own. So, valiant as that all is, they need to own the consequences as well. Instead they put all the blame on her. Alcide was the only one who did not do that, though he clearly wanted to.

  8. TrueLove

    July 3, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Oh and I’d love to hear more about who choreographed the dancing faeries and what inspired them to create such a unique routine

  9. Lisa M

    July 4, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Wait, when Godric was on the roof, he used the maker card to stop Eric from meeting the true death with him. I can’t remember in the books if a broken bond means the maker card can never pulled again but it certainly was shown in the show already that it can be, no?

    • Madeleine

      July 4, 2012 at 2:27 am

      Good point, maybe he could not really order Eric any longer but by trying he demonstrated how important it was to him Eric continued with his life. Since Eric had nothing but love for Godric he might have complied more due to the urgency of Godric’s wish.
      And as we speak of the maker card, according to Alexander Woo the child has to accept to be released, so Jessica is to be considered still bonded to Bill.

    • Ashley

      July 4, 2012 at 2:31 am

      Eric was never released from Godric though.

      Just because Eric wasn’t acutally with Godric for many years doesn’t mean he was released.

      The bond doesn’t mean the vampire has to stick by their makers side. It only means they can “call” them and command them if they want to.

  10. Ashley

    July 4, 2012 at 2:28 am

    Bill did release Jessica in S3, but apparently because Jessica didn’t accept the release it didn’t work. Notice that when Eric released Pam, she said beforehand that she agreed to be released. I think Jessica’s refusal is what stopped it from working. She was completely alone and not ready to be released and refused to be.

    As far as the bromance, I don’t know why people suddenly think Bill and Eric are friends. They aren’t going to forget about the past 4 seasons of history between them, not to mention the flashbacks we were shown this season specifically to illustrate the origin of the tension between Eric, Pam, and Bill and the disdain Pam and Eric seemed to have for Bill in S1 during the initial meeting in Fangtasia. Raelle Tucker said this was the other purpose of the flashback besides showing how and why Eric turned Pam. Bill has been trying to kill Eric since 1905, he did it again when he tried to throw him in the cement, and added Pam to the mix. Eric is not going to suddenly be all buddy buddy with Bill. He held onto getting revenge for his family for almost 1000 years, Eric doesn’t just get over things that easily. And neither does Bill for that matter. He obviously has had a grudge against Eric for a long time, since 1905.

    This “bromance” is fake. They are working together for the purposes of survival, they have a common goal…to live. And they both need to work together to get rid of Russell. That’s the extent of it. They know they have a better chance of that by sticking together. Them not turning on each other during torture means nothing. That’s the oldest interrogation trick in the book to say the other person turned. Neither Eric nor Bill were going to fall for that trick. It doesn’t speak to any loyalty to each other.

    The true purpose of the bromance, in my opinion, is to illustrate the difference in Bill and Eric as characters. They are perfect foils for each other. The contrast between them has never been greater than when they are side by side having to work together. The maker/child scenes and the scene in front of Sookie’s house illustrated this perfectly.

    As far as the names people are calling Sookie, I wholeheartedly agree. I think it’s sick if I’m being honest, and sad because a lot of it is likely coming from women. I am rooting for Eric/Sookie, but I’m fine with this dalliance with Alcide. I don’t understand the hate. I’m indifferent to Alcide as a character, but I don’t understand why people insist on calling Sookie the hateful things they do.

  11. Passa

    July 4, 2012 at 2:50 am

    Yeah I agree about Sookie don’t deserve all the blame she’s getting. I mean sure she had her hands in some of it, but…yeah. I never heard about her getting blame for Eric’s amnesia before, but then again I don’t participate in the True Blood community much. That’s rather odd for her to get blame for. I do agree with everything else though about what you both said pertaining to Sookie and the whole slut issue too.

    I also agree about Terry’s storyline. I love Terry, just couldn’t get into that either this episode about his past and whatnot. Though I am intrigue by a preview they showed with those two and that other guy…when the guy mentioned in that preview about ‘We all going to die’ or something like that. I was wondering what he was referring to. I can’t remember it word for word, but it was one of the scenes that was shown before the season started.

    I think with Hadley telling Jason about the vampires killed his parents…I’m don’t think that is true. Maybe just something the fairies told Hadley for I guess to have more support against the vampires? Or to cover something up with the fairies? Or both?

    I don’t trust Salome either seems she have something up her sleeve.

    Hmm yeah, definitely looking forward to the next episode to see how it all plays out. 🙂

    • Madeleine

      July 4, 2012 at 11:33 am

      “Yeah I agree about Sookie don’t deserve all the blame she’s getting. I mean sure she had her hands in some of it, but…yeah.”

      She had her hands in most of it 😉
      But I agree, Sookie does what her heart tells her, she tries to do right and fails because nobody ever told her the rules of how to deal with Vampires and werewolves and whatever. She’s naiv in a way and sometimes doesn’t think everything through, but she can hardly calculate all evantualities. Given how often she was lied to it’s no wonder she doesn’t rely on others and takes action herself.
      Now how it makes her a slut to have three boys in four years is a mystery to me, what would you call Jason?

  12. J

    July 4, 2012 at 3:56 am

    “As far as the bromance, I don’t know why people suddenly think Bill and Eric are friends. ”

    Oh goodness I don’t think they are actually friends by any means, but I do think that when they need to be they make a good team.

    Bromance as in “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Perhaps team mates is a better term….team mates who tolerate each other for the sake of achieving a common goal.

    🙂

    • Elisha_Q

      July 4, 2012 at 5:33 am

      Especially when that goal is keeping their own lives. LOL

    • Mel

      July 4, 2012 at 9:54 am

      Agreed! They’re both smart enough to know when it’s in their best interests to work together, and they do make a good team, but I don’t see either of them being the other’s Best Man at a wedding. 😉

  13. Kurenai

    July 4, 2012 at 4:04 am

    I think what it really boils down to is that Sookie is the catalyst. And her being the catalyst is why she is blamed for everything. Some stuff she deserves but some stuff she doesn’t, but if she wasn’t the catalyst then some stuff wouldn’t have happened and for the most part we wouldn’t have a show.

    I’m not here for the slut shaming, but I’m also not here for the millionth show having guys fall over the protagonist while also trying to sell that the female protagonist is just your average looking gal (on the outside), with an average looking life (on the outside) …it’s a tired old train, luckily True Blood is not like other shows where the triangle is always at the fore front.

    • Elisha_Q

      July 4, 2012 at 5:39 am

      You are so right. Actually if the love triangle was always front row I wouldn’t watch the show. Thank god, this is not a soap opera.

    • Mel

      July 4, 2012 at 9:45 am

      Yes, I think you’re right that she’s the catalyst and I don’t have a problem with that. Every story needs a catalyst to keep the narrative moving forward. I also think it’s good that the characters are beginning to recognize that she’s a catalyst. I’m hopeful that the next step is for them to stop blaming her for their own actions and begin taking responsibility for themselves.

  14. Elisha_Q

    July 4, 2012 at 5:50 am

    Tara was just honest about what she thinks, and she is right that there will always be someone to save Sookie, not that Sookie doesn’t deserve it. If it was Tara getting shot at, Sookie would have done the same thing for her. It’s just going to take time for them to be friends again.

    • Mel

      July 4, 2012 at 10:06 am

      I agree, and I was impressed that Tara expressed herself so calmly. She’s not happy with the consequences, but she’s moved past her rage now. After just 3 days as a vampire, she already has more control than she did as a human.

      • Elisha_Q

        July 4, 2012 at 12:04 pm

        May be it’s something because of the bond with Pam.

  15. Whitney

    July 4, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    I wanted to add that i rewatched the promo for the weeks ahead and it does show the vamp girl fight. It is Tara and Jessica and my guess is that it is over Sookie and why Tara shouldn’t hate her so much. Or something to do with Hoyt in Fangtasia.

  16. Angk

    July 4, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    I believe it was Debbie that let Russel loose, notice in the season 4 ending the dirt/concrete on Debbie’s pants??? As far as Sookie being a Ho, well If you confess your love to Bill, then Eric and now is getting hot with Alcide it certainly doesnt help her image and cheapens her “love” for Bill and Eric.

    • Madeleine

      July 5, 2012 at 12:33 am

      Why shouldn’t she get hot with Alcide? She’s in no other relationship, she’s not cheating, she never did. Alcide’s the third guy in her whole life, that hardly makes her a …
      If it does you would have to call every other girl on the show the same. Arlene’s married for the third time (at least), Tara had sex with Eggs, Sam, Franklyn (and I’m referring to the time she did it freely), this girl (I don’t recall her name) that we know of, so how is it that a girl is a *beep* when she had three guys in her life and a guy is a hero for having the same in one week? Hello double standard …

  17. Jay

    July 5, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Loved this episode! pam & tara as maker and progeny is probably one of the best storylines since the start! 😀 On a side note, you ladies you truly glowing today 🙂

    • Liz

      July 5, 2012 at 9:00 am

      Why thank you, Jay!

  18. Goldie Jean

    July 5, 2012 at 9:45 am

    The problem with the Debbie theory is that someone had to glamour the guard. I still think the best candidate is Salome. I have a question–in the preview is Jesus’s head on Ruby Jean’s table?

    • Madeleine

      July 6, 2012 at 2:27 am

      “I have a question–in the preview is Jesus’s head on Ruby Jean’s table?”

      It is, I’m curious where that is going. Had Lafayette and episode before he doesn’t remember and we haven’t seen?
      I wouldn’t rule out the Debbie theory just yet. Russell had a pack and Vampire guards, she could’ve just gone back and told them where to find Russell.
      Besides, if Salome personally had glamoured Alcide’s employee her absence in the headquarters would’ve been noticed.

    • Angk

      July 6, 2012 at 7:19 pm

      If you notice though Debbie is covered in what appears to be concrete residue…Could Debbie of captured the gaurd then when she got russel out he then could have glamoured the gaurd?

      • Madeleine

        July 6, 2012 at 11:52 pm

        So? Why should she capture someone? There’s no need for it. Don’t you think some of Russell’s old staff (werewolves as well as Vampires) wanted to get him back and helped her? She had to have some help, they needed a hide-out and somebody had to capture the humans for Russell.

  19. Schirka

    July 5, 2012 at 10:20 am

    The fire drawings/murals on the walls of the basement refer to the fires on their houses. They thought that this Tod was the one creating the fires because he wasn’t stable or something, and the drawings on the wall kind of confirm that he was the one doing the fires

  20. Schirka

    July 5, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Girls also remember that when ‘Murella’ came to Andy last season, before they had sex she made him ‘swear to the light’ that he will protect her, and he did. So I’m guessing that they will tie back to that this season since they met again, he’s probably going to be forced to do something for her; not sure what but as we all know, they never leave loose ends in TB so for sure they where planting something back there.

  21. Schirka

    July 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Me again 🙂 those 2 shifters that where shot dead on the head, could it be someone out there killing shifters like on the books? I don’t remember who was it at the end, the waiter? and who send her to do it?

    • Mel

      July 5, 2012 at 3:27 pm

      That character has been cast, but it remains to be seen how closely the storyline follows the book.

  22. Susbraska

    July 6, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    I like two theories being thrown about. Alcide may have barked in his sleep, spoke aloud about Russell’s whereabouts in cement, in Debbie’s earshot. Or perhaps Salome is the child of Russell and he called upon her?

    I never had blame for Sookie. She’s not responsible for the Maenad, the witch Marnie, Vampire politics and so forth. In terms of her men relations, yeah, she is 20-something. Nothing untoward about that. I like her choices, although I’d go back to Bill and use the book’s cluviel dor to turn him human. 🙂

    Tara is angry. She’s bitter. I hope she gets happy soon.

    I think the wherewolves killed the Sam’s shifter pals.

    The Terri Bellefleur storyline is interesting considering the wars ongoing in real life.